I miss the days of VHS and DVD shelfs in homes, for example. If you bought the tapes and had them in your home, no corporate entity could alter those tapes without your consent, monitor how many times you watch them, sell your data to whomever they please without your knowledge, roll out new mandatory conditions to a ‘user agreement,’ or remove them from your library if/when they like.
I noticed some dumb change in how Dictionary definitions are shown in the Spotlight (ie, overall search my computer function) in MacOS this week. I’ve turned off all auto-updates, and I didn’t make that change or consent to it. But despite paying the full price all by myself for this machine, I clearly don’t have 100% control over it. It seems very clearly to me that consumers having control and privacy over their Internet-connected devices is a bygone era.
After Blizzard, the video game company, replaced copies of Warcraft 3 that I and others had paid for in full and installed on our computers that we could play without connecting to the Internet with a lower-quality copy that prohibited offline play - I swore I’d never pay for a video game again*, and 3 years later I haven’t backslid on that. I felt so angry, cheated, and robbed by that. (*Edit: my criticism and frustration is really more with larger developers/companies/creators - I appreciate and am happy to support smaller, more independent and libre ones.)
Many people probably won’t be bothered by these things, but I am. I don’t want to pay full price for something that I don’t truly own. I miss the familiarity. I miss the reliability. I miss feeling like it’s mine. Dependable. Trustworthy.
Picking my old guitar up again has never looked so appealing. I think I want to go back to investing more time, money, and energy into things that aren’t connected to the internet
A new linux user will be born soon
Jesus, you people are everywhere
(and I love it, lol)
This is the way
If some piece of media is unavailable without DRM/Internet connection - feel free to pirate it.
Often times, this is the only way to restore control over your media. And it’s a sign that we’re only able to tolerate it so far.
Then, your pirated media can be placed wherever you like - and taken offline if you want to.
Also, Linux is your best friend. No, seriously. No one proposes to insert any form of DRM in there, and everyone is free to fork unwanted changes, so it never has to come. You decide what you want.
Yep. And I’d argue it’s an almost ethical responsibility for those aware of all this to preserve a media archive via piracy. Sort of like those monks that would repeatedly copy old scrolls before they would degrade or whatever.
Pirated content is yours forever
So true. As others have remarked on here, entshittification really changes the calculus of “is piracy worth it?”
Yes it’s a pain … but it’s because your are considering a state compared to an ideal state, e.g feeling trapped with devices you don’t trust versus running in an empty field. It’s simplistic and it’s not now versus then. Instead consider where you were, where you are now, and how it is a succession of decisions. Nobody forced you to buy a smartphone. Nobody forced you to install a chat app made by an ad company. Nobody forced you to have a free email.
Instead, for years, you made terrible decisions and now you are “waking up” to it and it sucks.
How do I know? Well, I did the same.
I even felt terrible about it and it felt impossible to change. I also discovered the concept of learned helplessness. How I was convinced that not only it was bad but I could do nothing about it.
Then I changed. I made a ProtonMail account (which I paid for, still am), moved my data from GMail. In fact I downloaded ALL my data from Google, and moved away from it, e.g from YouTube I installed on my own server PeerTube. I warned family, friends and colleagues I wasn’t using WhatsApp anymore but they could reach me with email, SMS, phone, Signal, Telegram, Matrix, etc. I then deleted Instagram, WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.
I could go on but hopefully you get the idea : it sucked, I realized it sucks, I tried to change, it was hard requiring a lot of effort but, step by step, I removed a lot (not all!) of those terrible behaviors from my life.
TL;DR move away from learned helplessness by DOING things, taking a single step in the right direction makes a world of difference.
Like your points and generally agree, but companies deranging their products and adding post-hoc internet reliant licensing is one core message of OP. This has been forced on people on many platforms. Blizzard and WC3 was given as an example by OP. Microsoft is probably the most flagrant example as many people need to use windows for various software, and you need to rip the system apart to kill forced updates or shutdown invasive services.
Yes, which is why I bought Baldur’s Gate 3 and not other games. It’s not “just” because it’s an amazing game, it’s also because IMHO the way it has been produced respect its content creator but also the way it’s been delivered, respect players.
So when I say be pragmatic I also don’t mean to imply to accept any kind of behaviors from software publishers and rather when you can, do pick the good ones, obviously.
Reject the temptations of short term convenience and adopt sustainable consumption.
Demand ownership of goods. Demand offline-first.
IMO the “ownership” thing is a red herring. It has its roots in a specifically American obsession with private property.
If everybody “demands ownership of goods”, that means we share nothing. Hardly a model of “sustainable consumption”. There are loads of examples of redundant private ownership of goods. My favorite stat: the average electric drill is used for 7 minutes in its entire life. All because every household in every building on every street must have its own one, instead of us finding a way to share them.
In the context of digital “goods”, “ownership” really just means control. I wish we would use that word instead.
“How many of you own a power drill?” Rachel Botsman, the author of the book The Rise Of Collaborative Consumption, asked the audience at TedxSydney in 2010. Predictably, nearly everyone raised his or her hand. “That power drill will be used around 12 to 15 minutes in its entire lifetime,” Botsman continued with mock exasperation. “It’s kind of ridiculous, isn’t it? Because what you need is the hole, not the drill.”
Great points! Ownership, control, access, possession - these might apply differently to different things. I could see ownership being more relevant than other concepts in digital documentation of one’s genetic information, for example. I think a public library model (ie, access) would work pretty satisfactorily for entertainment media. Our language might have lagged behind the privacy, consumer, and legal concerns of today. My knowledge certainly has, but that can be changed ;)
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You are so right
You can get games on gog, it let’s you download the game files and play it with no DRM and no launcher.
And for the os part it sounds like you want Linux.
I appreciate the rec’s! I did check out gog a bit a month or so ago and thought it did look refreshingly different
yeah gog is cool, also, if you do want to have your OS do the things you want it to do, you should use linux, i could help you switch if you do decide to
Thank you very much, kind Lemmy! I think it makes sense for me to postpone that a bit due to other things going on at the moment. But it was really helpful to vent and to hear words of empathy and support from people like you :)
Offline anti-libre software still bans us from removing malicious source code.
They’re not gone, you just have to be more selective.
First, many of us have turned to piracy for this reason. I don’t like piracy. I don’t want to steal. But I will if they don’t provide me with a legitimate and respectful purchase process.
I miss the days of VHS and DVD
You can still buy whatever you want on Blu-Ray.
I’ve turned off all auto-updates, and I didn’t make that change or consent to it.
Bit of a double-edged sword there. Mac can make improvements and they can make things worse. The difference is often a matter of personal preference.
I have much bigger axes to grind with Apple, but I digress. Yes the overarching theme is “control” that Apple wants to maintain.
I clearly don’t have 100% control over it.
Linux gives you all the control you could ever want.
replaced copies of Warcraft 3 that I and others had paid for in full and installed on our computers that we could play without connecting to the Internet
Pirate it. You have every right, far as I’m concerned.
I think I want to go back to investing more time, money, and energy into things that aren’t connected to the internet
WHY DON’T YOU WANT PERSONALIZED ADVERTISEMENTS?
Piracy isn’t stealing, that’s just internalized corporate propaganda. No one should feel guilty about piracy, if anything be proud! Not only are you contributing to the preservation of media in an increasingly disposable age, but it also frees up your disposable income so you can actually donate it directly to independent content creators instead of sending it into the coffers of a faceless multinational.
Everything you just said is bullshit entitlement
I think I’m more or less with @verdigris. I’d get behind the position that most large corporations have bent the rules of society so much to their favour and accrued so much wealth at the expense of ordinary people that we don’t owe them anything at this point. I got mad respect for the independent creators. But I feel there’s no moral transgression with streaming a pirated show vis-a-vis the corporations missing out on making a few bucks from that, to use a example. It’s not black and white; actors and others salaries are important and related. But those “you wouldn’t steal a car, so why are you trying to a CD/DVD?” ads were clearly corporate propaganda, as another example
Please, explain to me why piracy is in any way morally or ethically wrong?
If you really need me to explain it, there’s no hope for you. Even a child understands why stealing is bad.
Oh, sorry, I meant software or media piracy, not, like, actual piracy.
What would a child say if they were asked whether they would steal a loaf of bread to feed their starving family if they had no other way of saving them? What would you say? Does context matter in moral judgements?
LOL WTF dude? You are not stealing food, you’re stealing entertainment.
I actually think the ethics of media piracy are even less debatable than those of stealing food. If you’re stealing food, you are depriving someone of it. If you copy a song or a movie or a game, literally no one loses anything.
To be clear, I absolutely support people stealing food to survive, especially from stores and double especially from large corporations.
Many people probably won’t be bothered by these things, but I am. I don’t want to pay full price for something that I don’t truly own. I miss the familiarity. I miss the reliability. I miss feeling like it’s mine. Dependable. Trustworthy.
Picking my old guitar up again has never looked so appealing. I think I want to go back to investing more time, money, and energy into things that aren’t connected to the internet
Upvoted.
GOG game releases are nice for that feeling I guess or they were in the past maybe it enshittificated too
Well said!
“Many people probably won’t be bothered by these things, but I am.”
You are not alone! There are still many knowledgeable people who understand what you mentioned.
Thank you for bringing up this topic!
Enjoy playing the guitar! 🙂
Hey Choom, privacy, security and the ability to be in control is worth fighting for.
I hate how short term profits ruin good things for everyone but stakeholders. But there are independent developers, musicians, creator in generel or those who sell their stuff DRM free. Those actual humans are worth supporting and following.
Also having a hobby, like learning and or playing guitar, besides computing seems like a really good ide.
Buy CD’s and DvDs. Check if a game has DRM before buying it (or just buy from GoG where DRM is banned). Run some flavor of Linux.
But if you buy from GOG, make sure it doesn’t have DRM, because GOG has been selling a few games that have DRM for a few years now
Oof I haven’t heard of this. That’s like the whole selling point of GoG. What games have DRM?
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1
This is a pretty maintained list, and even if I disagree with the inclusion of some things because all you’re missing is cosmetics, it is pretty easy to argue that “complete game offline” should include all content of that game, so I’m not gonna start a fight about it
Yeah I see the argument that any content behind an internet connection is DRM, but I think that stance is a bit extreme.
There are a handful of real problems on that list, but it’s like 3/20.
It’s important to maintain this list and call them out though. If I can’t expect GoG games to be DRM free I might as well just use Steam where plenty of games are still DRM free but other features of the platform are a bit better.
DEFCON - Linux: Game contacts a key verification server as described here. Win and Mac have offline executables that skip the verification. But under Linux there is no DRM-free offline executable.
I find this sort of funny.
I have shelves of dvds but I am getting rid of them.
Because you have a server where you stored the movies on?
nope. in most cases streaming works well enough but we do have many on a hard drive from the included itunes.
But why would you get rid of your actually owned stuff? Streaming is low quality bullshit. Back your physical media onto a NAS and you can stream or access your good stuff from there.
well as I said we do have some on hard drive but streaming is more convenient and by and large been fine.
This same sentiment is what’s driven me to pirating all the movies and tv shows I own. I want total control over the things I’ve bought and paid for with my money. I also think this is crucial for the preservation of media.
I straight up refuse to legally purchase any media that is officially unavailable for DRM-free download.
Such behavior on the side of creators and publishers cannot be tolerated.
Pirate it. They deserved it with such policies.
I swore I’d never pay for a video game again
The libre software too?
go back to investing more time, money, and energy into things that aren’t connected to the internet
They’ll obviously win when we run away. We should take the fight to them.
I might’ve misspoke about never paying for a video game again. I do like the look of gog. I’m really out of the loop when it comes to gaming. I like more privacy- and ownership-respecting platforms, and I would (do) pay for those. What I meant was I’d caught a glimpse of the direction of the mainstream gaming industry with WC3, and I realized it wouldn’t work for me and had to get off it. I use LibreOffice. I’ll check out the libre gaming software, thanks!
They’ll obviously win when we run away. We should take the fight to them.
I appreciate your point of view. The way I see it, I think maybe 95/100 people blindly trust big tech companies and 5 of us don’t (to the willing we’ll avoid mainstream social media, for example); the proportion is debatable, but I think it’s a very uneven divide. I don’t think we have enough power to “stick it” to big tech. I also don’t think we need to. I participated in the reddit blackout last summer and then I left it altogether for here (Lemmy), which I enjoy more and want to help grow more than I did the last place. I guess I do want some people to keep big tech in check and whistle-blow, at least to help spread awareness. I guess I’m just not the person for the job, and I think that’s okay. More tech savvy people would do well in those roles :)
Target Discord first. Games are non-essentials. Discord is a tool, beyond any one game, used beyond gaming. Don’t destroy your influence, don’t leave the conversation, don’t leave Steam just yet but use it strategically (and GOG Galaxy isn’t even for Linux).
Tech savvy people aren’t going to come and join our friends and join our family. For libre software by default, we must act.
You don’t need to use GOG Galaxy since you can download the offline installers for any game (including, for some, the Linux version).
Been buying from GOG for years now and never used GOG Galaxy.
It exposes their priorities.
If their priorities were to track customers, incentivise game integration with their store (i.e. gamemaker lock-in) and the possibility of taking games away from customers, all like Steam does, they would not maintain that glaring backdoor for all those priorities that is letting customers download full installers that they can keep and which do not check back with the store on install.
I’m sure that they would like the advantage of tying people (both gamers and gamemakers) to their store, yet clearly they’re not forcing that as Steam does, so what they’re prioritizing (in other words, their priority) is clearly not that.
Given that their unique selling proposition is “no DRM” or more broadly “customer freedom to use the games they bought”, it makes sense that that is GOG’s overriding priority, even if they would also like all the (for a store) nice side-effects of built-in DRM and phone-home installers like Steam’s.
GOG spreads anti-libre software, like Steam, but do they contribute to libre operating system software?
