Do any of them know what the word “liberal” actually means?

  • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
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    2 months ago

    It’s extremely frustrating hearing this repeated so often here.

    It’s fine if this is the colloquial definition you’re used to hearing and using, but this is certainly not the way it’s used outside of American politics and pretending like it’s the only use comes off as both ill-informed and condescending.

    When used derisively from the left, rest assured it is not referring to either of your adopted generalizations but a very specific ideology.

    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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      2 months ago

      pretending like it’s the only use comes off as both ill-informed and condescending.

      That works both ways. Pretending the European usage of the word is the only use comes off just as ill-informed and condescending.

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        2 months ago

        The people who are using liberal derisively are playing off the american liberal self-identity. They’re acknowledging both definitions in the jab.

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      2 months ago

      ok, so among English speaking countries, how is it more often used? we’ve got multiple people in this thread aggressively telling him he’s wrong, but no other definitions.

      • saltesc@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        how is it more often used?

        Look up liberalism for liberals.

        I wasn’t aware Americans made up their own meaning. Now I understand why upvoted comments mentioning “liberal values” receive a flurry of downvotes while I’m asleep, Americans have lost the meaning of another word, probably due to their media.

        Though, just checking, the American dictionaries seem entirely correct still. Are you all confused?

        • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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          https://www.dictionary.com/browse/liberal

          liberal 1

          [ lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl ]

          Phonetic (Standard) IPA adjective

          1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs. Synonyms: progressive

          Antonyms: reactionary

          1. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.