• Dagnet@lemmy.world
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    Best part is portuguese, it seems kids in Portugal are now speaking with a brazilian accent because most Portuguese videos on youtube/tiktok are made by brazilians lol get reverse colonized suckers

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      Not really (source: am a Portuguese currently living in Portugal).

      Kids here can immitate a Brasilian accent, and so can many if not most adults, because maybe 4 decades ago Brasilian soap operas became all the rage in Portuguese TV, but they don’t go around normally speaking with a Brasilian accent.

      Then again I can immitate a number of US regional accents (well enough to fool Brits) and a number of British regional accents (well enough to fool Americans) when speaking English, but that’s not at all the same as generally speaking with that accent (though, having lived over a decade in London, my English language accent tends towards RP English, also because I actually made an effort to make my speech easier for locals to understand, rather than the confusing Portuguese/Dutch/American/RP accent I tended to have when speaking English in lazy mode).

      There are a lot of Brasilians in Portugal (about 3% of the population, not counting those who got Portuguese nationality which they can after 5 years without having to give up their Brasilian nationality) and that also includes a lot of kids, so of those kids the ones who came here when they were already 5 years old or older would speak with a Brasilian accent.

      In my own experience living in several countries and learning their language, which included picking up their accent, you don’t get the accent of the speech you’re exposed to a small part of the time, you pick up the one you’re exposed to most of the time, so for example my Dutch has an Amsterdam accent and I didn’t at all try to pick it up, I just lived there and that’s what I heard most of the time from those I spoke with.

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          The article says they’re “speaking like brasilians” in the title and then in the text says that’s them using a few words from Brasilian Portuguese (giving examples), which is nothing new (my generation also picked up words from it because of soap operas and I’m in my 50s) and isn’t at all the same as “speaking with a Brasilian accent”, something which as I explained from my own experience has way higher criteria of exposure to actually happen.

          It sounds a lot like a Pearl Clutching article from the original source of those “news”, the Diário De Noticias newspaper which is very old and conservative.

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            Well sure, let me change from accent to dialect and the post is still the same for all that is worth

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              It’s still not dialect.

              It’s merelly a few words.

              The whole thing is a storm in a teacup from a conservative newspaper.

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      And then you go live the UK, realize that tv uses only a small subset of British accents, and sometimes find yourself wondering “Huh I wonder what language that is?” only to realize it was English 20 minutes after the fact

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      Which British accent?

      There’s the “standard” called RP (for Received Pronounciation) also known as the BBC English, there’s the rich people’s accent (yeah, rich people in Britain have their own accent) known as Posh English, then there is a poor/working class Londoner accent called Cockney Accent (which outside Britain you often hear in TV series taking place in working class London neighbourhoods or when showing poor people in 19th century London), then there are a number of regional ones just in England (though those are harder to explicitly recognize if you’re a foreigner, even if for example you can tell that somebody from Manchester has an accent different from somebody from Essex), then there are the other nations of Britain (Scotland, Wales, Northern-Ireland) which themselves have one or more accents each (I know for sure Scotland has more than one accent since I can notice the difference).

      Mind you, I only know this because I lived there for over a decade.

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    American English is closer to what English used to sound like than modern British English.

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              Dialect coach Meier understands the appeal of the idea that 17th-Century speech patterns have been perfectly preserved an ocean away. “It is a delightful and attractive myth that Shakespeare’s language got fossilised” in parts of the US.

              Not a great source honestly, was expecting more of a linguistic study rather than this. Even the article doesn’t entirely agree this is true.

              English is a living language that has continued to evolve within its country of origin. Is your point that because the American dialect hasn’t evolved as much suddenly makes it better somehow?

              Additionally, English is the most common language on the planet and there are many dialects, but no one outside of England can claim theirs is the “correct form of english” because it’s not their language.

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              This literally says what you’re saying isn’t true, except for the vague pronunciation of a single letter in one part of the US

              Did you even read it? 😂

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      British English is not some monolith and was less homogeneous than it even is now at the time many were coming to the Americas. If this were true it would only be true for a particular region. English outside of the UK also diverged as it no longer followed trends happening there, and regional variations went in sometimes different directions.

      Even within the US, English isn’t super homogeneous. Look at Appalachian compared to California or someplace. Parts of Louisiana have unique features from Accadian and influence from Spanish.